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and I need help for people who knows the cost of living in Shanghai. The reason I did not ask anyone in here was I don't want anyone to mis-understand that I want to show off. If you know like what I write below, please just ignore me. Thanks.

I met an old couple in Shanghai in 1992. The husband taught in unversity before and retired in 70's. The wife never work. This first time I met they, I noticed they were the first couples did not take adventage of me since I came back from oversea. My father told me they are very honest and very poor, because the retirement pay is really minimum. Also, they have no kids or relative to support them.

Since my father passed away in 1993, I started sending money to them ( that is the money I sent to my father before) Now, I send Cad$3000 every year. However, when I called them earlier this year, the wife told me that their monthly pay from retirement plus the money I send does not cover their expenses. She told me they receive about $800 RMB from retirement, plus the money I sent which is about $1500RMB/month. Every month, she need to pay rent for $850RMB, a helper for $600RMB. (I asked they to get a helper because they are over 80 years old and they've been having problem of walking for long time.) Also, the husband is very sick, he needs to go to hosipital quite often. The health plan does not cover 100% therefore they have to pay part of the cost.

Can anyone who knows Shanghai tell me how much it cost to live in Shanghai, such as food, living and in their case, the cost to go to the hospital. I want to know do they really need more help, or just because they feel insecure because of the inflation in Shanghai. Very soon, I have to send them another cheque, therefore I need to know how much do they really need, rather than what they want.

Thank you for your help.
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QUOTE (六六 @ Sep 22 2004, 11:08 AM)
OK5,对不起,才看到你的贴。根据我这次回中国看,如果他们到现在都没自己的房子,还得租房子(这个价钱我看只能租到郊外的老年公寓一间小屋),这个钱对他们的确是不够的。

原因-------上海现在看病没谱了。我同学的孩子看一次感冒最少是280块。如果是经常上医院的,每个月用千八百太正常了。

上海现在物价水平非常高,我认识的年青人,35以下的,收入基本都过万。于是将上海的基本生活费哄抬得非常高。这两位老人应该是比较拮据的。

我问过同学,他们最省的,一个孩子一个月都要开销过3500。所以我很想知道下岗工人是怎么活的。

在上海,有自己的房子太重要了。


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66 thank you. Their total monthly income is about $2300. I knew they were poor, but didn't know they are that bad.

Every time when I ask them do they have enough, they always say "yes". In the pass 11 years, they only called me once. It was a couple years ago when her husband went to hospital. I guess she was worried they don't have enough saving for the hospital bill.

Right now, they are living on the street called 襄阳 road. I think it is in the city. Anyway, thank you for the information. I know what to do know.
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11楼  发表于: 2004-09-22   
OK5,对不起,才看到你的贴。根据我这次回中国看,如果他们到现在都没自己的房子,还得租房子(这个价钱我看只能租到郊外的老年公寓一间小屋),这个钱对他们的确是不够的。

原因-------上海现在看病没谱了。我同学的孩子看一次感冒最少是280块。如果是经常上医院的,每个月用千八百太正常了。

上海现在物价水平非常高,我认识的年青人,35以下的,收入基本都过万。于是将上海的基本生活费哄抬得非常高。这两位老人应该是比较拮据的。

我问过同学,他们最省的,一个孩子一个月都要开销过3500。所以我很想知道下岗工人是怎么活的。

在上海,有自己的房子太重要了。


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10楼  发表于: 2004-09-22   
QUOTE (lotus @ Sep 21 2004, 11:28 AM)
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your good return may not be near future, could be next few life

Here is how we differ. I believe in heaven after death. And heaven is by God's grace, not by good things we do.

haha, when it come to religion, I get a lot to talk about. Are you interested, Lotus ?
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QUOTE (小平 @ Sep 21 2004, 02:30 PM)
有爱心很容易,又能坚持衡久的确是令人佩服。

Honestly, I did not expect to commit for so long. But once I started, I cannot backout. Lucky, I can offer to help thay without any impact to my family.
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8楼  发表于: 2004-09-21   
有爱心很容易,又能坚持衡久的确是令人佩服。
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your good return may not be near future, could be next few life

Here is how we differ. I believe in heaven after death. And heaven is by God's grace, not by good things we do.
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6楼  发表于: 2004-09-21   
由衷地敬佩ok5,不管出于什么想法,可以坚持这样做就不是一件容易的事。和你相比,我感到 em028.gif
特意问了一下,比较确切的情况,这样的老两口,除开保姆和房租,一个月1500rmb,相对可以过得比较宽松了,咽糠嚼咸菜了。
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QUOTE (lotus @ Sep 21 2004, 07:12 AM)
I am not a big believer of "good heart has good return". If a good return is expected, you'll be hurt once that does not come, or once people dissapoint you.

Do as you like, for your own pleasure and ease in heart.

your good return may not be near future, could be next few life. wink.gif
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地下室  发表于: 2004-09-21   
I am not a big believer of "good heart has good return". If a good return is expected, you'll be hurt once that does not come, or once people dissapoint you.

Do as you like, for your own pleasure and ease in heart.
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地板  发表于: 2004-09-21   
Thank you 莲子 and lotus,
far as I know they are quite honest people. May be I am too suspicious.

By the way, I am not being nice, I just belive in "good heart has good return". Just like putting money in a bank, I will get some kind of return in the future. em007.gif em024.gif
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板凳  发表于: 2004-09-20   
上海没去过,但据说消费平均高过广州。

广州的情况是这样的:如果没有自己的房子,普通的两室一厅不是很方便的路段都要700元,要是市区就需要1000元。

但是老人家既然是大学老师,即便没有房改,也应该住的是单位的廉租房。现在大城市各单位全部将住房售给个人了。

保姆的要价涨的较多,两三年前还可以300元请的到保姆,但现在普遍都要500-600元一个月。如果是照顾行动不便的老人更贵些。

生病的确是现在最花钱的事情了。医疗保险规定只能使用一些最基本的廉价药,问题是去了医院一般的医生都要向你推荐一些好药、贵药,这些都是不包在医疗保险里的,需要自己掏钱购买。不知道老人家是什么病,如果长期沉疴缠身,是需要很大一笔花销的。

日常生活费两个老人最少也要三、四百元吧,这也是广州的社会保障局发放的最低生活保障标准。何况还加个保姆。

基本情况如此,希望对你的决策有帮助。

并由衷佩服你。 clap.gif


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沙发  发表于: 2004-09-20   
OK5, you are such a nice person!

3000 加元只等于RMB8400吗?

我不清楚上海的费用情况,应该和北京差不多吧。 如果是他们几十年一直住的老房子,房租似乎要低于RMB850。 无论如何, 非亲非故的你这样慷慨地支持他们, 他们已经非常非常幸运了。 如果我是他们, 就感恩知足,量入为出。 

这么多年, 你对他们应该有所了解了, 如果他们不是贪的人, 就按你心里的感情给吧。
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